Between The Staples

I’m excited because I know it’ll bring something more interesting to the table. Something that Countdown hasn’t. It’ll give some new life to DC titles that have grown stale.

Characters will probably die which is always cool.

So, yes. I’m looking forward to it.

…but Countdown still sucks.

So wait, no evil Mary but Nightwing can live? I mean Nightwing must live if the new Titans title is to last longer than 12 issues.

Personally I am torn as I like some hype for an event series. Give me something more than a really bad weekly comic series lead-in.

I think Final Crisis will be good in the long run for the DCU but I have no “wanting” for the first issue of the series. I hate that ’cause I used to love more DC stuff than Marvel but as of late…

Yeah…no.

I’ve found that quality is conversely related to hype and bullshit. The best stuff that has come out recently has been low on hype and - more importantly - bullshit and outright lies.

Sinestro Corps War, Annihilation, Annihilation: Conquest, the most recent issue of Walking Dead - all of it fairly hype-free and quietly fucking your shit up.

Final my nuts.

52 and Countdown have been such abortions that they should just drop it all without even seeing it through and reboot the universe again. Seriously.

>>Thats something i’ve disliked about the Dc universe, its inconsistency. Whenever they disliked something they retcon backgrounds, blame it on alternate dimensions. Instead of letting characters mature.

Wait. WTF?! Okay that is not just a label you can put on the DCU. The Marvel U is just as bad if not worse. One More Day?! Infinity Anything after Gauntlet. Secret Wars II+, X-Men Inferno, etc…

No. I cannot allow that statement to stand as you mentioned it Weston. Who finally took a character and matured them from a “side kick” Robin to Nightwing? Marvel? No. Long before Captain America got shot and replaced, Batman was replaced, Superman was replaced. True they did not work out but the company stepped up and took the chance. The Flash, how many ppl have worn the lightening on their chests? Each one has a HUGE group of fans. Can the same be said for each version of THOR? Iron Man?

So no - I am sorry Weston but your statement really holds no water UNLESS you specificly mean the DCU of the last few years for comparison… maybe.

DC Comics stepped up a while ago to mature and push past the envelope long ago and to just dismiss them due to COUNTDOWN (maybe 52 but for me, I enjoyed 52) & ONE YEAR LATER and keep that as the mark in the sand. No. No.

No. Final Crisis might not be appealing, okay, but either backup your statement ’cause that blanket statement about the DCU just ain’t right!

Final Crisis should have happened two years ago. The Marvel Marketing Machine is kicking DC’s collective baa-dunk-ka-dunk to the curb and straight razor slicing into it’s mascara stained foundation caked cheek. Just like all GTA style pimps should treat their Hos.

For me DC has always been the, dare I say it, more literate of the two companies. Marvel is all Hollywood block busters and DC is quirky independent films.

But by the nature of them the big continuity changing main events should be hyped like the blockbusters and DC just never seems to be able to do the marketing right.

My prediction Marvel will have a main event that makes you want to know how it ends, has you chomping on the bit the whole time, but ultimately leaves you unsatisfied. DC’s event will sit there like a sad lump you buy out of pity but once you’ve picked it up satisfies you in ways you never thought possible.

Insert appropriate sexual content jokes and allusions to the dating scene as you see fit.

Alright you got me with Marvel’s One more day.

I’ve never read Secret Wars, Inifity Gauntlet and X-men Inferno never retconned anything.

What i’m saying is that DC has a tendancie to retweak characters to fit the current times. The crisis of Multiple earths was just DC trying to make sense of the chaos that they made between its Golden Age Characters, Silver Age, and Modern Age charactesr.

Look at Golden Age Flash/Green Lantern and Silver Age. The GA characters where shelved because people lost interest in Superheroe Comics then a renaissance happened with the Silver Age and they decided to recreate those characters.

It was when the GA flash and SA Flash met face to face was when there was recognition that they belonged to two universes then eventually merged into one timeline.

Then you have characters like Blue Beetle and Shazam both acquistions from other companies, Shoehorned into the Dc universe.

The only characters they wouldnt touch where there flagship characters Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman even Aquaman instead opting to just rewrite their origins each generation.

The big three where Golden Age characters but instead changed and unlike characters like Flash and Green Lantern they never passed down their legacies to anyone. With exception to Batman DC has never really tried to change the Trinity.

Now Marvel for the most part has kept their timeline even with reality changes, adding to what was there instead of ignoring it. Yes Marvel doesnt have the legacies like DC has.

DC has more characters that are about passing down their legacies, flash, green lantern, blue beetle.

However Marvel has the X-men, they may not pass down titles like Dc characters but they are like a Class in School. Logan will always be Wolverine and I doubt that he’ll ever pass his name to anyone but he will be there to teach the generation of mutants.

Steve Rogers had others take up his mantle of Captain America before Winter Soldier; Tony Stark had James Rhodes; Hank Pym had Scott Lang; Johnny Blaze had Danny Ketch.

Of course like Batman, Wonder Woman, Superman Marvel isnt willing to change any of these characters, well until recently. But I was never arguing who had the better legacy I was talking about timeline and reality changes.

DC has been about destroying realities in order to force unneccesarry changes. Marvel has a different approach to that, layering on history like frosting on a cake.

I would love to explain the difference but theres too much history between both companies to explain.

Thanks Silenzio, yes i’m just a bit tired of DC using major events to rework character concepts or rather destroy those current concepts then rebuild them from the ground up.

I like the way things are in the DC universe currently and I dont want to see it rebooted. I want them to make changes but I dont want them erasing anything they’ve done just to do it. If it was a mistake they can just write something to fix it, instead of total wipe out.

IE they make Jimmy Olsen gay, the fans dont like it. Oh lets create a universe destroying event to fix that.

but its true about Marvel not stopping on the cake frosting. Theres sometimes too much and its a bit confusing and frustrating if you arent willing to dig through it.

I personally dislike One More Day and thats just what Dc does on a smaller scale. This marvel doing it on one character.

but this more about DC.